[Oa-italia] Re: Wiki e Open Access
Antonella De Robbio
antonella.derobbio a unipd.it
Ven 15 Lug 2011 11:53:28 CEST
sicuramente sono interessata e mi iscriverò
2011/7/15 Andrea Zanni <zanni.andrea84 a gmail.com>:
> Segnalo che, dato il crescente interesse, la Wikimedia Foundation ha creato
> una mailing list ad hoc
> per le biblioteche, in cui discutere ovviamente le questioni legate all'Open
> E' stata creata apposta per consentire a persone esterne al movimento
> Wikimedia di poter
> discutere di argomenti inerenti al mondo mbibliotecario senza dover per
> forza essere iscritti a liste più generali (e dispersive).
> Per cui invito tutti ad iscriversi a
> Andrea Zanni
> 2011/7/7 Andrea Zanni <zanni.andrea84 a gmail.com>
>> Dato che ho ricevuto qualche feedback in privato,
>> mi permetto di inoltrare al gruppo l'inizio di un thread che si sta
>> svolgendo fra vari Wikimediani a livello internazionale.
>> In un paio di battute sono stati coinvolti Melissa Hagemann (Senior
>> Program Manager dell'Open Society Foundations) e Daniel Mietchen, Wikimedian
>> in residence per l'Open Access e Open society.
>> Ho posto a loro la stessa domanda che ho posto in questa lista (citata
>> esplicitamente da Melissa, fra l'altro), cioè un tentativo di capire quali
>> progetti sono in piedi fra movimento Wikimedia ed OA e quali, in teoria, si
>> potrebbero organizzare.
>> Chi volesse partecipare al thread non ha che da dirlo (anche in privato),
>> lo inserirò nella prossima mail.
>> Andrea Zanni
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Daniel Mietchen <daniel.mietchen a googlemail.com>
>> Date: 2011/7/7
>> Subject: Re: OA - Call for brainstorm
>> To: Melissa Hagemann <mhagemann a osi-dc.org>
>> Cc: Samuel Klein <meta.sj a gmail.com>, Andrea Zanni
>> <zanni.andrea84 a gmail.com>, "fschulenburg a wikimedia.org"
>> <fschulenburg a wikimedia.org>, phoebe ayers <phoebe.wiki a gmail.com>, Federico
>> Leva <federicoleva a tiscali.it>, Laurentius <puntoesclamativo a email.it>,
>> "mathias.schindler a wikimedia.de" <mathias.schindler a wikimedia.de>,
>> "pavel.richter a wikimedia.de" <pavel.richter a wikimedia.de>,
>> "l_guldbrandsson a hotmail.com" <l_guldbrandsson a hotmail.com>,
>> "dgerard a gmail.com" <dgerard a gmail.com>, Direttivo Wikimedia Italia
>> <direttivo a wikimedia.it>, jayvdb <jayvdb a gmail.com>,
>> "lodewijk a effeietsanders.org" <lodewijk a effeietsanders.org>
>> Dear all,
>> thanks for bringing me into this conversation, Melissa.
>> I see a number of areas in which the OA and WMF communities could join
>> forces, and several of these are relevant to the newly approved
>> project. None of these points is specific to Italy or Italian, but
>> although Italian had not been on my radar there yet (basically because
>> I can only understand it, not produce it myself), I agree that
>> addressing them together with existing communities with overlapping
>> interests is a good idea.
>> Let me outline a few:
>> (1) the WMF would benefit from feedback from the OA community on the
>> draft of a WMF policy on OA and open data. It currently exists in two
>> variants - a general mandate modeled after the NIH policy (cf.
>> ) and a scheme more cast in terms of practical implementation (cf.
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:WMF_support ) that takes into
>> account different degrees of WMF support for research projects (a
>> distinction not made at the NIH).
>> (2) both sides would benefit from a broader reuse of OA materials -
>> especially images - on WMF projects. I have collected some basic stats
>> on this at
>> and think it would be very good to have a simple way of uploading all
>> suitably licensed OA materials to Commons or a sister directory (e.g.
>> http://figshare.com/ or similar). On a related note, the annual image
>> contest at Commons (for latest issue, see
>> ) features very few images that came from an OA source (so far, I only
>> found one - http://commons.wikimedia.org/?title=File:Culex_sp_larvae.png
>> ; a finalist in 2007). Having some more systematic approach to getting
>> OA-sourced images featured as picture of the day/ month/ year would
>> certainly be good.
>> (3) the articles on OA and related topics are generally not in a good
>> shape, and typically not even assessed for quality. For the English
>> Wikipedia, I have started building a skeleton for what is to become an
>> overview of what OA-related articles would be desirable to have:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mietchen/OA_catalogue . Turning this
>> into a set of coherent articles will require something like a Task
>> force, even though the most relevant ones do not seem to be very
>> active these days, and there is not much of collaboration in this
>> regard across different WMF projects or even languages. Here, having
>> OA people involved across projects or languages would certainly be
>> (4) I think publishers (not just OA ones, actually) would benefit from
>> having a closer look at the RNA families Track at the journal RNA
>> Biology (which is not OA, btw), in which authors are required to
>> submit, for manuscripts reporting on new types of RNA families, the
>> draft for a corresponding Wikipedia article, which will be peer
>> reviewed along with the manuscript (see
>> http://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/rnabiology/guidelines/ and
>> search for Wikipedia). Once the paper is published, the Wikipedia
>> article goes live, naturally citing the journal article, thus
>> providing the journal with exposure at a highly visible platform.
>> Similar partnerships are possible with other WMF projects (e.g.
>> (5) I think peer review in any journal (and at funding agencies, but
>> that is another story) would benefit from being conducted in the open
>> (cf. http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/473452b ). One possibility here is to
>> post the reviews of accepted papers in public (e.g.
>> http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/8/62/prepub ), another to have
>> the manuscript posted in public and to invite public comments along
>> with public formal reviews (e.g.
>> ). This latter approach works only for publishers that accept green OA
>> in some form, but it works best for gold OA. Having some more OA
>> publishers experiment with such a system could, over time, develop
>> into something like "wiki-style" review at Scholarpedia (cf.
>> ), i.e. that reviewers edit the draft directly rather than commenting
>> on it. With such a system in place at (at least some) OA journals,
>> researchers could well be more motivated to contribute to
>> collaborative projects like those run by the WMF (see also the survey
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Expert_participation_survey ).
>> Also related to the issue of motivation: Participants at the recent
>> Open Science Workshop at OAI7 voted "Change the way scientists are
>> evaluated" to the top of the agenda (cf.
>> http://lists.okfn.org/pipermail/open-science/2011-July/000840.html ),
>> and joining forces with WMF (and funders) to get wiki contributions
>> included in the picture of scientific evaluation could well be
>> worthwhile too.
>> Expansion of the approach mentioned in (3) to languages other than
>> English is anticipated (though for the moment only to those three that
>> I can write articles in). For example, for the German Wikimedia
>> chapter's WikiConvention later this year, I have proposed a session in
>> preparation for Open Access Week (cf.
>> ), and this could certainly be coordinated with related activities on
>> the Italian end, or elsewhere.
>> During OA week, one could think of highlighting OA-derived content on
>> WMF projects, or having collaborative writing sessions on OA-related
>> topics, or having prizes for contributions along these lines.
>> Looking forward to further deepening of the discussion,
>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Melissa Hagemann <mhagemann a osi-dc.org>
>> > Hi SJ and Aubrey,
>> > Wonderful to hear that there is interest in Italy to find ways to bring
>> > together the WMF and OA communities.
>> > I'm adding Daniel Mietchen to the thread, as the Open Society
>> > Foundations just approved a grant to support Daniel to be a Wikimedian in
>> > Residence on Open Access and Open Science. For years, I've thought the OA
>> > and WMF communities had much in common and we should be doing more to
>> > properly introduce the communities and build synergies between them. So
>> > perhaps Daniel can help to brainstorm about what more could be done in Italy
>> > and then Italy could become an example of what can be accomplished in this
>> > area.
>> > In general, I think that by raising awareness of OA (and specifically
>> > the materials which are freely available through OA) within the WMF
>> > community, we could encourage more OA resources to be used as references in
>> > Wikipedia articles. In addition, Wikimedians could become powerful allies
>> > in the OA movement, helping to make more content freely available through
>> > OA, so it could be used in more WMF projects.
>> > With regards to Italy, Aubrey, you mentioned that you are in close
>> > contact with many folks working on OA there, so you probably know about
>> > these resources, but I thought it would be helpful to share some info on
>> > those I've worked with in the past as well as current OA projects:
>> > - Paola Gargiulo (p.gargiulo a caspur.it) - you may already know Paola,
>> > but I think she's great and would probably enjoy being part of this
>> > conversation.
>> > - Portal for Italian Electronic Scholarly Literature in Institutional
>> > Archives - a service provider to Italian OA scholarly and research content;
>> > collects and provides access to current information on OA in Italy and
>> > abroad http://www.openarchives.it/pleiadi
>> > - OA Week Wiki in Italian -
>> > http://wiki.openarchives.it/index.php/Pagina_principale
>> > - OA Mailing list in Italian:
>> > http://openarchives.it/mailman/listinfo/oa-italia
>> > Excited to see what we can do to make Italy an example of what can be
>> > achieved through collaboration between the OA and WMF communities.
>> > Best,
>> > Melissa
>> > Melissa Hagemann
>> > Senior Program Manager
>> > Information Program
>> > Open Society Foundations
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Samuel Klein [mailto:meta.sj a gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:20 AM
>> > To: Andrea Zanni; Melissa Hagemann
>> > Cc: fschulenburg a wikimedia.org; phoebe ayers; Federico Leva; Laurentius;
>> > mathias.schindler a wikimedia.de; pavel.richter a wikimedia.de;
>> > l_guldbrandsson a hotmail.com; dgerard a gmail.com; Direttivo Wikimedia Italia;
>> > jayvdb; lodewijk a effeietsanders.org
>> > Subject: Re: OA - Call for brainstorm
>> > Andrea, let me introduce you to our advisor Melissa Hagemann, one of the
>> > driving forces behind the Open Access movement.
>> > Melissa and I had a conversation about how Wikimedia and OAI could work
>> > better together - including ways we could give more attention to OA in our
>> > engagements with academia. She should definitely be part of this thread.
>> > Melissa, if you have any ideas specifically for Italy, this is a perfect
>> > opportunity. Aubrey's sorcery is powerful.
>> > SJ
>> > On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Andrea Zanni <zanni.andrea84 a gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> Hi all.
>> >> In case you don't know me, I'm Aubrey, current secretary of Wikimedia
>> >> Italy and compulsive wikisourceror.
>> >> I'm writing you for a little request, and as an attempt of structuring
>> >> a debate about Open Access.
>> >> Members of Wikimedia Italy are getting more and more interested in the
>> >> Open Access movement, and would like to support it and work together,
>> >> as both initiatives pursue the same goals.
>> >> But, right now, we really lack ideas of the ways and projects we could
>> >> support.
>> >> It's not just a matter of money, but of ideas, projects, competences,
>> >> directions.
>> >> Examples:
>> >> * as WMI, we are currently studying if an OAI-PMH extension for
>> >> MediaWiki could be useful for our projects (i.e. Wikisource, Commons)
>> >> * we are asking opens source communities behind librarin softwares as
>> >> OJS, VuFind to move on translatewiki.net, to crowdsource translations
>> >> * we are interested in the world of biological/chemistry data banks,
>> >> as it happens many make visualizations/animations of
>> >> proteins/viruses/cells, and maybe we wante them released in CC-BY-SA
>> >> (e.g. http://www.scivis.ifc.cnr.it/,
>> >> http://proteopedia.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page)
>> >> * we are currently brainstorming about an event for the international
>> >> Open Access Week, that will be held from 24 to 30 October, 2011.
>> >> But these are just drafts, and I sense an unexplored world out there.
>> >> I also wrote to OA librarians around Italy (I know many of the actors
>> >> here in Italy, and it happens my job is related to that), but they are
>> >> as confused as me on the possible convergences we may have.
>> >> So I'm writing to you, because afaik everyone of you has been more or
>> >> less involved in OA, and in the relationship between OA and Wikimedia.
>> >> Which projects have you done? Which ideas do you have in mind? What
>> >> can we do all together? What can we do as chapters? What can the
>> >> Foundation do?
>> >> Thank you for your time and expertise, and feel free to forward to
>> >> anyone who could be interested (and valuable) in this conversation
>> >> Aubrey
>> > --
>> > Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617
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